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Exploring Our Eve-ness

This post actually started when mulling over the concept of "mutuality" or the New Testament admonitions around the idea that all Christians within the body of Christ are to have submission to one another. The responsibility we have of considering one another's welfare, and the general spirit of humility we ought to evidence as we walk the path of this life with God. Some of these scriptures are :

Ephesians 5:21
submitting to one another in the fear of God.

Romans 12:10
Be kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love, in honor giving preference to one another;

 

1 Peter 5:5
[ Submit to God, Resist the Devil ] Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for “ God resists the proud,But gives grace to the humble.”

Somehow I ended up back in the Garden of Eden with Eve. Maybe because the principle of mutual submission was one that was held in conjunction with that of "headship" of husbands in the family. So I started thinking about the Fall, and fact that Adam had communication of some kind with God about the essential rule of the Garden:eat of any other fruit, but don't eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. This rule was also communicated to Eve, but it isn't clear whether directly from God or indirectly through Adam. What is clear is that Eve made an authoritative decision that didn't include consensus with her companion Adam... or with God. When Eve decided to make that fateful decision to try some knowledge of good and evil for herself, she acted alone.

I find this sort of interesting in the view of talk about authority. We are unable to escape the active principle of authority; everywhere we turn we have to submit to rules of conduct and arbiters of right, or at least appropriateness, of some kind. Everyone answers to others and to some ruling authority of some sort. It just is unavoidable, because that is how the world runs... and even the animal world has a visible pecking order. Whether loose or strict, there is a chain of command... the buck has to stop somewhere.

As Americans in our Democratic society we are acutely aware of authority structures (Law is King!) and are schooled in civics (or should be) about the reasons for a democratic form of representation rather than a pure democracy. Nothing works if you need unanimous consensus to move forward. So we have this hybrid of authority where we say the majority rules. The biggest number gets to say what is right and make the important decisions for the group. It pivots on consensus, but not a perfect consensus. It still is the concept of authority and chain of command at work, but in a way that is less linear and so less obvious in our thinking. There are rules for how we interact and who gets to make the decisions, nevertheless. The mistake we fall into in discussing authority is to rigidly ascribe exclusivity to the one who holds the authority- it is as if we have never heard of the word "delegate". When we say that "God has all the authority" we don't mean He micromanages all the decisions, and the same holds for men and women. I think we have to look at this from that point of view: God places men in authority over creation, not instead of, but by delegation. If men have authority in a position of "headship", they can delegate anything up to the final authority to their wives. This is real authority. That means wives exercising real authority in harmony as their husband's partner. But for many advocates of feminism that isn't enough.

In examples of delegation Pharaoh of Egypt says to Joseph, "Since God has made all this known to you, there is no one so discerning and wise as you. You shall be in charge of my palace, and all my people are to submit to your orders. Only with respect to the throne will I be greater than you." In light of this, what is the point of contention in recognizing Paul's listing of the order of the sexes? Not everyone is first... I think that is what Paul was saying. Furthermore, he is saying that by recognizing an order of authority we are giving our allegiance to God as the highest authority.

The question for a Christian at this point, when discussing authority, is whether God's Kingdom is one run with a system of consensus. We need to look at the defining application of the concept of "mutuality" as seen in those scripture quotes at the beginning of this post. The 'majority rules' principle has definite drawbacks in terms of moral accuracy in decision making. So, immediately, I would say that the Biblical type of "mutuality" of consideration has nothing to do with secular ideas of "majority rules". This applies to a conflation, or perhaps I should call it a "jump" from ideas of mutual submission in attitude to an egalitarian idea that we function without any real structure of authority.


Freedom and form are not mutually exclusive, and in fact, as Francis Schaeffer made very clear in some of his works*, they are tied inextricably together in God's Kingdom liberty. Form is what defines liberty in opposition to license, a perennial topic in the discussion of democracy and liberty. Form is given from the inner structure, the skeleton, of authority and chain of command. Freedom was to be the next topic for me in the quest of finding the balance of what scripture says to us on the roles of women in the Church. It proved to be such a large topic that it has not yet made its way into a series of posts, but I will say this in what I am finding: Freedom is a primary thread of what God desires for people throughout His dealings with and promises to mankind. I make the large letter distinction in this type of freedom because it is the "big picture freedom" of a biblical concept, not all the types of definitions possible for the word. I think this is what many of the scriptures direct us toward when encouraging a mutual concern and consideration and a specific type of egalitarian view that we find in Galatians 3:28. It is also this concept of God's will to free mankind which ties the subject of slavery to the women's issues concerning submission and authority. Oppression is proscribed in the New Testament, which as unbelievable as it seems to us today, was once debated by pro-slavery theologians. The matter to discuss here is whether the debate over slavery is point by point equal to that of the gender issues. I think their connection is mainly in the principles of liberty, but they have a connection within the stubborn arguments in support of traditional reasons to keep the oppressions and abuses of power in place .


So, in returning to Eve, we find that she exhibits neither the hierarchal type of recognizing authority to make her decision, nor the egalitarian form of consensus. She has become a loose cannon, wholly answerable to herself only. And that is why original sin is sin- it has not only edited out the idea of accountability horizontally, which is a mutual submission, but that of the vertical relationship with God, as well. That is why the temptation included the succulent seduction of " you will be like God". What also needs to be examined is the description of this process as deception. One of the reasons for using a base of multiple checks and balances in a consensus form of decision making is to work around the blind spots of individuals and the "optical illusions" of physical circumstances, and this is accepted in our egalitarian ideas of government, but is it necessary or desirable in God's Kingdom? For today's discussion: Does a rote form of egalitarian consensus add to or take away from our function as the body of Christ? Is there an argument for hierarchal authority structure in implementing "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven"?


I'd like to move on from here and say, "now, what is the form of the structure to take?" but we haven't settled the debate yet. We are hung up at this juncture on the struggle between hierarchal and egalitarian ideology. Until we settle where each one fits in the equation, and what checks and balances are inherent in the gospel... we will have to continue on this talking point.


I would like to sum up the situation which the Genesis account leaves with us:



  • Eve acted on her own without recognizing either Adam or God's authority to inform her decision
  • this did not work out well for mankind, creating a rift between God and man
  • this same erasure of men's importance and role happens in modern feminism

In the modern form of egalitarianism which is applied within feminism, the cultural question becomes " what do we do with men?" The answer behind the hand is the objectifying, biology-restricted answer in reverse, that women have historically protested. That is why the church is not able to move forward in this gender issue of a "Woman's Place in the Church". We get caught in the same same trap as the secular debate, because we follow the same arguments and thought processes.


This post dealt with examining Eve and her choice in light of our modern filter, it wades into the concept of Biblical authority order, but more needs to be said. Then I hope we are ready to discuss the place that egalitarian ideas do have in how we relate as Christians in, but not of this world.; A large burden of why we have gone so awry is on the shoulder of the traditional complementarians ( the hierarchialists) who have plainly mistaken and abused the offices of authority; and it is the egalitarians who provide the voice of reason in this part of the debate. It should take a few more posts to pursue this .




footnote: In "Christian Manifesto" Francis Schaeffer presents the thinking ... similar to this quote from an address by the same title.
...the view of the founding fathers of this country. They believed, although not all of them were individual Christians, that there was a Creator and that this Creator gave the inalienable rights -- this upon which our country was founded and which has given us the freedoms which we still have -- even the freedoms which are being used now to destroy the freedoms.

The reason that these freedoms were there is because they believed there was somebody who gave the inalienable rights. But if we have the view that the final reality is material or energy which has existed forever in some form, we must understand that this view never, never, never would have given the rights which we now know and which, unhappily, I say to you (those of you who are Christians) that too often you take all too much for granted. You forget that the freedoms which we have in northern Europe after the Reformation (and the United States is an extension of that, as would be Australia or Canada, New Zealand, etc.) are absolutely unique in the world.

Occasionally, some of you who have gone to universities have been taught that these freedoms are rooted in the Greek city-states. That is not the truth. All you have to do is read Plato's Republic and you understand that the Greek city-states never had any concept of the freedoms that we have. Go back into history. The freedoms which we have (the form / freedom balance of government) are unique in history and they are also unique in the world at this day.

Comments

Ilona,

Very well said.

We are unable to escape the active principle of authority; everywhere we turn we have to submit to rules of conduct and arbiters of right, or at least appropriateness, of some kind. Everyone answers to others and to some ruling authority of some sort. It just is unavoidable, because that is how the world runs...

This is how I also understand the concept of authority, and it is what I believe to be the public understanding as well.

Posted by: Rusty at February 25, 2008 11:43 AM

I've been following your posts on authority in the husband and wife relationship, and I have noted a progressive turn toward what you state clearly in this post; that authority does exist and as with all of the blessings the Lord has graced us with, it is for our benefit.

You asked, in an earlier post to provide you with scriptural references to the Authority of the husband, please examine the following passages:



Num 5:20 But if you 1 have gone astray while under your husband’s authority, and if you have defiled yourself and some man other than your husband has had sexual relations with you

Num 30:8 But if when her husband hears it he overrules her, then he will nullify 1 the vow she has taken, 2 and whatever she uttered impulsively which she has pledged for herself. And the Lord will release her from it.


Rut 1:9 May the Lord enable each of you to find 1 security 2 in the home of a new husband!” 3 Then she kissed them goodbye and they wept loudly. 4


If we examine these passages, it would appear that God has indeed delegated "Authority" to the husband. Indeed, the very creation narrative alludes to the primacy of man. If God truly had an egalitarian ideal, could he not have also created Eve from dust, in the same way he created Adam? The beautiful imagery and allegory of man sacrificing his flesh in the creation of his female helpmate and companion, from the begining to define the nature of the husband and wife relationship.


Isa 54:5 For your husband is the one who made you –the Lord who commands armies is his name.He is your protector, 6 the Holy One of Israel. 7
He is called “God of the entire earth.”

Eph 5:23 because the husband is the head of the wife as also Christ is the head of the church – he himself being the savior of the body.


However our God being just and faithful, doesn't delegate "Authority" without requiring responsiblity and commitment. The husband is the wife's protector and should offer solace and security to his wife. God's delegation of "Authority" isn't irrevocable however, and men have are not given God's grace in vain. A man who shuns his responsiblity or allows sin to corrupt the application of "Authority", is to be held accountable, both to God and wife.

Our human sin nature is what seperates us from God, and hinders the realization of the beauty of oneness with our spouse.

As you pointed out in your post, we subject ourselves to authority willingly every day, however we only do so with the promise of safety and security. When we submit to the power of the State, we confer that authority in trust. If the State abuses it's "Authority" or threatens our safety, becoming totalitarian or corrupt it has forsaken its purpose and our trust, and will not stand in perpetuity.

Structure abounds throughout creation, do we presume that we are exempt, that we are somehow removed from the effects of our actions within our relationships? Submission to authority is our willing service, when we rebel against holy authority we are the ones who are called to repentance.
Num 5:20 But if you 1 have gone astray while under your husband’s authority, and if you have defiled yourself and some man other than your husband has had sexual relations with you


Num 30:8 But if when her husband hears it he overrules her, then he will nullify 1 the vow she has taken, 2 and whatever she uttered impulsively which she has pledged for herself. And the Lord will release her from it.


Posted by: Eric at February 27, 2008 10:51 PM

I didn't realize, that this was wirtten by Ilona, and not Bonnie, so excuse my mischaractization.

Posted by: Eric at February 27, 2008 11:02 PM

That is all right, Eric- it is easily done, and I have sometimes mixed up such things while trying to continue a thread of discussion.

I mostly would follow with your line of reasoning here, except that you take one digression that I think is mistaken.

You said:

As you pointed out in your post, we subject ourselves to authority willingly every day, however we only do so with the promise of safety and security. When we submit to the power of the State, we confer that authority in trust. If the State abuses it's "Authority" or threatens our safety, becoming totalitarian or corrupt it has forsaken its purpose and our trust, and will not stand in perpetuity.

While we do willingly submit ourselves in many instance, we submit whether willing or not in others.

We do not primarily "confer authority" on the State, God does. It is when the state trespasses against the ultimate authority of God that we have a mandate to resist and not submit to such authority. I tend to follow Schaeffer's thinking as outlined in the 'Christian Manifesto' on this point. I do not believe in blind obedience or complete submission of the type which is exemplified in German Christians who submitted to the agenda of the Nazi State.

I think scripture clearly is stating that all submission is under the ultimate authority, God's. But my line of resistance is very much further in than that spoken of by some others who support a separate line of authority for women. I believe we have a cohesion in Paul's teaching when we agree that there is a general rule of order in hierarchal form which is always answerable to God's authority and character.

Posted by: Ilona at February 28, 2008 11:04 AM
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