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The evisceration of debate

I love discussion. It’s like Fuze white tea; I can’t get enough. (Well, I do have my limits.) I love to learn and be sharpened and work out my thoughts. Except...when it’s not an honest debate. Then it becomes a different sort of challenge. An effective debate to me isn't necessarily one which must be won, but one that is kind, even if impassioned; one that’s respectful and charitable. (Not that I always argue in this way, God forgive me.)

Many discussions obviously are not of this type, even in the Christian blogosphere. Some become hopelessly arcane...the debaters themselves abscond by referring and deferring to the writings of various authoritative figures in church history, which is fine, but not always helpful. Obviously, those figures themselves offer mere interpretation of Scripture. I understand if someone says, “Well, so-and-so has explained the Scripture in the way that seems to me to best fit the Scripture, and does so far better than I could.” I understand that the person still accepts Scripture itself as more authoritative than whatever historical interpreter is being referred to, and recognizes his own shortcomings in explication or articulation.

However, it requires a heck of a lot of reading to get up to speed on all of these interpreters, and no one, even the greatest of scholars with nothing else in the world to do, can read them all. So how is a person such as me, with a family to raise and a household to tend (among other things), come to know what Scripture really says without either accepting what someone else says, just because they possess some authority and what they say seems to be true, or deciding for myself?

By deciding for myself I mean forming my theology mostly upon my own reading of Scripture. This does not by any means exclude the input of various preachers and authors, or other study helps, but admittedly I haven’t read (nor studied) any of these very thoroughly.

Some may say that I have no authority to interpret the Bible for myself, given what I just said. In a way they are right. But then I must ask, why not? Does a person really need a degree in theology in order to have sufficient understanding of the things of God? Must s/he study Greek and Hebrew? I certainly defer to those with greater understanding of Biblical languages than I have (which would be most everybody) or greater scholarship. But have you noticed that even the experts, the scholars, the “authorities” disagree on myriads of points?

So again, it becomes a matter of choosing whom you will believe. Or completely believing none of them, recognizing that human authority has its limits.

What it often seems to come down to is argument over how to define terms. This may occur both in the sense of individual words and in the sense of concepts. There are probably nearly as many different views of what substitutionary atonement is, for example, as there are people who hold the view. The truth is that there are several passages which speak to the issue, yet in different ways, different contexts, from different angles, etc. So why must we distill these into some common understanding that doesn’t exist?

Debate also often seems to descend into presumption about what others mean by their terms (seeming to assume an absolute definition, or least some sort of sanctified one), and arguing against this assumption, rather than promoting an effort to make sure all parties understand what each other may mean by the terms they use. Or into any number of logical fallacies such as ad hominem or red herring.

The problem is that few will likely be edified or illuminated by such discourse. Which is self-evident, though not often discussed, it seems. Only those who already agree with a particular side may gain better understanding or reinforcement of what they believe, yet even this is suspect if the “information” is not offered in charity. Such debates, then, end up being rallies for one side or the other, not really occasions of learning except for perhaps gaining experience in dealing with certain interpersonal dynamics.

Such debates do not truly develop ideas. They are merely fleshly battles, and this is too bad for all of us.

Comments

True debate is always hampered by the imprecise nature of language, as is all human communication. We not only talk past each other because of our differing interpretations of words, but we have a hard time choosing the right words in the first place to fully capture the essence of difficult ideas.

That's one challenge. Another is that debaters should ideally be somewhat open minded to the arguments of an opponent, but we're frequently closed to change.

Yes, we have an established body of truth that we hold as our core beliefs, and we aren't willing to turn from that core, or else we don't really believe it to be true.

But we also have to have the humility to recognize that our human nature necessarily limits our right understanding of truth -- we are not God. So we have a great deal of room to learn, to grow, to humbly accept correction. Even the greatest thinkers make mistakes -- Einstein famously refused to believe the implications of one of his discoveries and added a fudge factor to make it fit his (erroneous) assumptions. He later called that his greatest mistake.

So if we approach debate as a take-no-prisoners war, we lack the humility to see our own blind spots, and we'll stumble around in blindness. If we approach debate as an opportunity to grow, we may learn something good, and we will exhibit the sort of humility that honors Christ.

Perhaps the impersonal nature of the internet makes it more difficult to debate with civility. I think it's possible, but it is harder.

Posted by: Charlie at April 28, 2007 12:43 PM

Very thought-provoking post. There are debates I like, and debates that get so annoying or nasty that I just turn off completely. However, depending on where one is personally, even annoying debates can be useful. I’m thinking, for example, of some of the really long, nitpicky debates I’ve read between Catholics and Protestants – e.g. James White and Dave Armstrong. I really can’t take much of that sort of thing now, but on the other hand there was a time when I found it much more valuable reading – mostly when the sorts of points in question were big live issues for me or my DH. I suspect that the biggest beneficiaries of such debates are not the debaters, but the readers and listeners who are less knowledgeable and/or not yet firmly on one side or the other.

“Some may say that I have no authority to interpret the Bible for myself, given what I just said. In a way they are right. But then I must ask, why not? Does a person really need a degree in theology in order to have sufficient understanding of the things of God? Must s/he study Greek and Hebrew?”

Obviously I have a different take on the question of authority to interpret Scripture, which I won’t go into now. But your comments remind me of debating with Protestants who in effect demanded that I accept their authority to interpret some passage because I don’t know NT Greek and have to rely on lexicons and commentaries. What happened to their belief in the right of private interpretation and their indignation at the way the Church (supposedly) kept the Bible only in Latin? :)

“Debate also often seems to descend into presumption about what others mean by their terms (seeming to assume an absolute definition, or least some sort of sanctified one), and arguing against this assumption, rather than promoting an effort to make sure all parties understand what each other may mean by the terms they use.”

Very true. I once was discussing the concept of infallibility with someone, and we ran into this problem in a big way. I wasn’t surprised at all that she disagreed with me about the scope of this gift according to the Church. What did surprise me was when we talked about the state of the writers of Scripture in the act of writing Scripture. We agreed that in the act of writing Scripture, the writers were protected by God from making errors in this particular act. But the moment I said, “Well, that bit in bold is what the Church means by infallibility, so we at least agree that the writers of Scripture, in the act of writing Scripture, were infallible” – no, a wall came down, and everything else she said reduced to “Absolutely not, no humans can ever be infallible, only God is infallible.” We simply couldn’t agree on the definition of the word, and the debate broke down completely at that point.

Posted by: Atlantic at April 28, 2007 1:58 PM
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